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newtboy says...

OK, it's your survey! I'm just curious what the consensus is. Too bad I'm anti social or I'd do my own survey! ;-}
disparaging: tending to belittle or bring reproach upon
My point is that I feel the phrase carries this with it, not that each person who says it means it that way.

bareboards2 said:

I'm not asking about the phrase "in the closet." We agree on that.

Although I would not use the word "disparaging" -- it is more deeply sad that someone feels the need to hide.

What do YOU mean by disparaging? I just realized maybe we do look at that phrase differently.

It is disparaging of our society that someone feels the need to be in the closet. It is insulting to say to someone's face "hey, you are in the closet" when they have put themselves there.

Do you read Savage Love or Dan Savage's blog? I love that guy. Potty mouth and brilliant mind -- a great combination.

I shall continue my informal survey just because I am dang curious!

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bareboards2 says...

I'm not asking about the phrase "in the closet." We agree on that.

Although I would not use the word "disparaging" -- it is more deeply sad that someone feels the need to hide.

What do YOU mean by disparaging? I just realized maybe we do look at that phrase differently.

It is disparaging of our society that someone feels the need to be in the closet. It is insulting to say to someone's face "hey, you are in the closet" when they have put themselves there.

Do you read Savage Love or Dan Savage's blog? I love that guy. Potty mouth and brilliant mind -- a great combination.

I shall continue my informal survey just because I am dang curious!

newtboy said:

let me know how the survey turns out. I'm amused that the straight woman didn't even know the phrase.
I'm curious if others think the term "in the closet" is disparaging or negative, as I do.

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newtboy says...

let me know how the survey turns out. I'm amused that the straight woman didn't even know the phrase.
I'm curious if others think the term "in the closet" is disparaging or negative, as I do.

bareboards2 said:

So I did an unofficial survey at work this afternoon.

One lesbian was totally with me -- it is fine to "out" yourself. She even said what I said -- everyone wins when people decide to leave the closet.

She also agrees with you (and me) that outing someone else is horrible.

She had no trouble with the phrase "outing herself."

The next person I asked was a straight woman. She didn't even know what I was talking about AT ALL.

I shall gather more data later.... I'm very curious about how this is going to play out....

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bareboards2 says...

So I did an unofficial survey at work this afternoon.

One lesbian was totally with me -- it is fine to "out" yourself. She even said what I said -- everyone wins when people decide to leave the closet.

She also agrees with you (and me) that outing someone else is horrible.

She had no trouble with the phrase "outing herself."

The next person I asked was a straight woman. She didn't even know what I was talking about AT ALL.

I shall gather more data later.... I'm very curious about how this is going to play out....



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