@dystopianfuturetoday, sounds like we're mostly in agreement to me.

I think RT has an editorial bias that encourages stories that cast America in a negative light. I don't really think reporting a story about how American banks are engaged in creepy tactics to try to blunt negative press is somehow the product of a uniquely Russian culture.

Maybe my impression of RT's bias isn't really a bias in RT's editorial decisions, but in the editorial decisions of the people who post their clips on Videosift. They've all been highlighting some form of corruption in the US, and every one I've watched has just been an echo of something the right or left has been complaining about (and it's almost always welcomed with a comment of "wow, RT is the only good media outlet anymore!").

The same thing happens with Al Jazeera, though Al Jazeera focuses more on how our pointless wars are killing lots of innocent people.

As for our own media operations, I just grow more and more cynical about it as each day passes. There's still signal, but people have to work to hear it, and most don't bother. The long run goal seems to be to erase the idea of objective truth from our collective consciousness. That way when someone speaks actual truth, they just bring in an opposing "view", and then the truth can just be passed off as one more person's opinion.

No violence/fear/worship, etc. if we don't teach it? ... I find 90% of this video absurd and delusional, and the other 10% ripped from Buddhism and Communism.

Accidents happen! Anger is natural! Empathy is not equally distributed in all people! People desire, and have various levels of greed and selfishness! etc.

Beyond a Borg-like, distributed collective consciousness, I can see no possible way that humans will ever "overcome" the concept of organizing themselves into societies in which certain people play certain roles, both in private/commercial/industrial and communal/societal/governmental ways. And @vaporlock brings up the excellent point that once completely unshackled the greed of anonymous private industry investors WOULD essentially be the new government. To go totally dystopian on you, what would stop wars being fought between Walmart-Blackwater LLC and Exxon-Aegis Defense Services Inc. for your city and its resources?


Anti-Statism, just another religion?

>> ^Stormsinger:

I couldn't have said it better myself, gwiz665. I see this as a perfect case for applying the statement we all grew up hearing, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".
@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/berticus" title="member since April 18th, 2007" class="profilelink">berticus, I don't think Jung was nearly as bad as Freud. Freud was a flat-out obsessive nut. While Jung at least can retreat into the meaningless shadows of philosophy and pose as a playful game of "what if".


bingo!
finally got some commentary going.
usually it is only qwiz coming out to play.
let me preface this a bit so my words wont be misconstrued based on prejudices.
1.i am not a "god of gaps" person (lookin at you qwiz),i do not hide behind unknowns and claim that this is proof positive of a creators existence.
2.i find it intellectually dishonest to dismiss a persons entire lifes work based on either personal opinion or other arbitrary factors i.e:he was a paranoid coke-addled obsessive.so?he also was able to define,correctly i might add,a large part of our collective consciousness.carl jung believed in the divine,the spirit, does this belief negate ALL of his work and observations based on a single belief he had?one that you may disagree with?
think about that..i have talked to every one of you who has commented on this post and "stupid" is not a word i would use to define any of you.
3.give rougy a bit of slack.while i do not wish to speak for him..i am going to anyways.
while his statement "If you don't get it, there's no use explaining.

It's...wasted breath." may seem a bit like a slight or derogatory..it is not..it just comes across that way.
at its heart he is correct.if you dont understand or see things this way, any attempt to convey or explain will only lead to confusion or worse.
a good example is having a woman explain childbirth to a man.while the man may make a noble attempt to understand the intricacies of childbirth he will ultimately always fall short.
why?..he does not have a uterus.

and this leads me to why i respect jung and also my perplexion at why others here do not.jung questioned the unquantifiable.he searched and poked and prodded into a part of us he strongly suspected existed yet there is no actual evidence.what he found was strong coincidental evidence which shaped his thoughts and ideas concerning the divine/spirit/soul.let us add to this mans struggle the fact that he was dealing with a public which was still heavily influenced by theocracy and his ideas were actually pointing in a direction which would make theocracy not only definatively wrong but irrelevent.

this of course leads me to ask something that i am curious about.i understand you all may disagree with jung and that is your right.i also fully understand your dismissal of the spirit/divine/soul.here is what i do not understand:carl jung asked the hard questions and spent his life trying to not only to find the answers but understand the question better.
where are YOUR questions?
because i always see the dismissal.
i see the disagreement and many (thanks qwiz) actually post the reasons.
but WHERE ARE YOUR QUESTIONS?
at least jung had the balls to ask them.disagree with his conclusions all you wish but even he understood that at the end of the day...he could be wrong.
this is why i admire him so much,because while i may believe and feel my paradigm is correct i HAVE to leave room that not only may i be incorrect on some points,i may be totally wrong.i have to accept the fact that there may come a day when all that i think i know,believe, may have to be flushed down the toilet.

i do not see anyone here asking the questions.i see many residing safely in their preconceived ideologies that were propagated by others.(i am speaking in general,not directly at you guys).it is real easy to sit in such a safe corner and feel that your understanding of things is embedded in stone.a solid ground paved by others where everybody is all sitting in their armchairs looking down at those who question the established norms.this is not only intellectually dishonest but intellectually lazy.

i love discussing with qwiz.
why?he is an atheist..a rabid atheist.
i do the same with dag.
why?well if you ask both of them and others i have conversed with you would know that i have never attempted to convert,co-opt or coerce him into feeling believing anything other than who they are.
jung pushed the envelope.he pushed against barriers and asked the QUESTIONS.
r.d. lang did also but even i found lang a bit...out there.but i respected lang for pushing barriers and ignoring precedent.

i am rambling here so i will end this on this note:
disagree with jung all you wish but respect the fact that this man pushed the envelope.asked the questions that have no solid or easy answers and attempted to define consciousness.
where is YOUR contribution to this?
where are YOUR questions?
and would you have the courage to put your ideas out into the public arena?
or will you stay in the relative safety of your own certitude?

ask yourself.
WHO are YOU?
WHY are YOU here?
i do not care the answer because it is the question that reveals so much more.
and that my friends,is where poetry resides.

Thnaks for the uplift-I have put a lot of time in here and though some see me as only a trollish element, I have been able to percolate the collective consciousness more often that not-my impact crater is after all, visible to the naked eye from the International Space Station!! Cheers!

In reply to this comment by Playinwithfire:
Choggie,
I havent been here long, signed up in Sept I think, at the request of a friend (Enoch) primarily because a project we worked on together was on the sift, and Im fairly certain I have wore out my video posting welcome on facebook lol this was a good outlet for me. Ive been more active for the past few months for much the same reasons. I generally keep my nose in my music and try to MYOB know what I mean? lol I do watch the docs and things particularly if they are recommended to me, but as a rule prefer not to comment or get into the melee of opinions people seem compelled to share. Theres some good members here, and theres some well... Douchebags here too. Myself I prefer to ignore the douchebaggery and post what I like, sift or no (mostly no lol)
I enjoy sharing with the few who enjoy the same things I do, but stay away from the drama, lifes to short to worry about people sitting in their underwear distributing opinions. Dont let it ruin the things you enjoy about the sift. Now I dont know the things surrounding your exit and return, havent been here long enough, but I do enjoy the things you post, and have appreciated the support you've shown towards the random crap I post lol. I recognize very few names as I surf around in here, but yours is one of them, if I see "choggie" I always have a peek at it and show it some love one little vote drop in a bucket, but lol its all we got.
If you have fun here in certain respects, dont just give up and fade away. I betcha more than a few would miss ya here. Hey Im just a noob so what do I know right?


In reply to this comment by choggie:
Julie, i don;t know how long you've been here at VS but I noticed your comment on the TED talk with Temple Grandin (I saw her presentation and downloaded the film....i loved it..Claire Danes ripped her part a new one)

Part of my legacy here on the site involves a very popular user who bailed when it was voted to allow me back-I am not positive that the reason for his departure was my return, but they guy was pretty adamant about not letting me back, as were some others....he and another user's bullshit were one of the reasons for my leaving as I did (breaking all the rules in the FAQ's in about 10 minutes)-The user in question, Kronosposiden it was told me by another user after the fact, that he has Asburger's....which explained a lot as to his focus on some crap I considered inconsequential at the time-Consequentially, there is some unspoken animosity towards me for this, and my manner here, which appears trollish to the untrained eye-All this to say that after coming back, i had found that the old guard of artistic, expressive, and energetic talent of the place which used to be a tight core, has been replaced by shut-in, insect, douchebags (mostly males who have never been kissed) and I simply can;t keep up with the onslaught-a barrage of crap, foreign to my sensibilities....I am gonna slink away from the place I fear, like so many others have.....cheers and sorry that I am unable to mark this message "private"...the only power that was not returned to me after my resurrection.

Intergalactic telecommunication should be like the Internet - free, unhindered, unmoderated, stream of our collective consciousness. All the good, all the bad.

Yeh, yeh yeh yeh yeh
Uhm hmm hm hm

It's a wonderful night
You’ve gotta take it from me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

It’s a wonderful night
Go ahead and release
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

You know the music search engine need a tuneup
Soon as they out the gate they all a wanna hear da corner, uh-huh
Well that was cool but now but then I heard a rumor, uh-huh
Your crew was ridin' for the White Cliffs of Dover, uh-huh

Uh let me tell ya how we do it in California
We’ll have you on the run just like a puma
If it don’t move us
Ain’t paid ya dues and it ain’t gonna get our roosers
We gonna lose ya to the consumer solution c’mon

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta take it from me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta shake it for me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

That the spot will get hot
That its ready to pop
Don’t even look at the clock
All of your problems forgotten
It's time to rock till you drop
Feel the force and just flock
To the epicenter of the party’s bass drummers c’mon

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta take it from me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta shake it for me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

We rock like Colorado
You're at it throwin’ bottles
We give a fuck about who your status
Who you are tomorrow
Whether you beg or borrow
Or hit the super lotto
Whether your girl look like a minga or a supermodel

Feel the connectedness, energy, disprojected the weighted
The whole collective consciousness
Arise like helium oh
Groovin’ out of the question
Won’t disrespect him, but
Our styles fuckin’ pouch like Dave Beckham c'mon

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta take it from me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

It’s a wonderful night
You’ve gotta shake it for me
It’s a wonderful night

Come on and break it on down

Okay, I've been looking at these, and my official position is that the Republicans have been punk'd. Some liberal agent provocateur has gotten into their system and planted this blatantly absurd idea in their collective consciousness and rallied them to follow it. The GOP has no command and control structure (thanks Mr. Steel) so they can't vet these things before they take on a life of their own. The result is that we see the wingnutiest of the right wing base eat up tons of air time looking like fools talking about how they are going to teabag the president.

This reminds me of PUMA, are the people taking part in these events even Republicans? Has the GOP been astro-turfed?

There are less jobs than people wanting work, and there is a spectrum of education among those workers.

... so what do you do with the people at the bottom? Either they get the jobs that no one wants, or they compete for higher-paying jobs against more qualified people (and lose).

Paying higher wages does not fix this problem, it simply increases the number of people willing to take the job (there's still a job shortage). Those at the bottom still lose.

How do you propose to fix that problem?



>> ^dystopianfuturetoday:
I can't believe how much anti-worker bias has slipped into the collective consciousness. Even here, of all places. I guess all those right wing think tanks paid off.
blankfist, don't confuse the plucky small business owner with oppressive bohemoths like Wal Mart, who could easily afford to pay their workers a fair wage. Plenty of tears are shed for small businesses that go under, and it's often Wal Mart who pulls the trigger.
Flood, 'Supply and demand' becomes date rape when you own the only store in town. Without a minimum wage, what's to stop them from paying workers with store credit? It beats starving, right? Viva supply and demand?!
If you can't afford to pay your workers minimum wage, then you shouldn't be in business. Period.
Rottenseed, When you don't pay your workers enough, they don't buy enough, and when people don't buy enough, we get recessions and depressions.

I can't believe how much anti-worker bias has slipped into the collective consciousness. Even here, of all places. I guess all those right wing think tanks paid off.

blankfist, don't confuse the plucky small business owner with oppressive bohemoths like Wal*Mart, who could easily afford to pay their workers a fair wage. Plenty of tears are shed for small businesses that go under, and it's often Wal*Mart who pulls the trigger.

Flood, 'Supply and demand' becomes date rape when you own the only store in town. Without a minimum wage, what's to stop them from paying workers with store credit? It beats starving, right? Viva supply and demand?!

If you can't afford to pay your workers minimum wage, then you shouldn't be in business. Period.

Rottenseed, When you don't pay your workers enough, they don't buy enough, and when people don't buy enough, we get recessions and depressions.

wow thats pretty profound stuff right there :-D I dig it!

In reply to this comment by laura:
why thank you, ninjafish!
are you familiar with the Hunab Ku? (or Hu'Nab'Ku or Hun Nab Ku)
Galactic butterfly. Mayan symbol.
Represents the collective consciousness of everyone/everything throughout all space and time.
Or something like that.

In reply to this comment by NinjaFish:
I love your icon :-)

why thank you, ninjafish!
are you familiar with the Hunab Ku? (or Hu'Nab'Ku or Hun Nab Ku)
Galactic butterfly. Mayan symbol.
Represents the collective consciousness of everyone/everything throughout all space and time.
Or something like that.

In reply to this comment by NinjaFish:
I love your icon :-)

Two morons discussing diversion...asshole fucks, concerned for none but themselves, using symbolic association, to assist in their personal world, and no one else..Dunno....Insults the collective consciousness,(what with Bill Moo-har, all coked-up) IMLTHO-Maher the prick-stick, coke-freak, on yer TV, fuck him, and TV........this crap is for kids and idiots......vote down if ya agree, or vote up if ya hate.....(Did I say Bill Maaaars is a fuck yet??...) Now YOU know, he's damaged goods(Cheetos of television), and his fans need better drugs!!!

^If "God" is defined by a tangible, or personification, of a supreme deity that created all we see, touch and feel, it is a silly, and not necessarily a probable notion.

If "God" is defined by the collective "consciousness" of the known (and unknown) Universe, that we are all a part of on either a quantum or sub-conscious level, it is a silly and not necessarily a probable notion.

If "God" is an "Ultimate Reality" that we cannot experience until we leave this "false reality", meaning he/she/it is not physical entity but an abstraction of existence, it is a silly and not necessariy probable notion.

If "God" is as Spinoza defined it, just the vastness of the ancient, uncaring, indifferent Cosmos, then it is a perfectly sound notion, and quite probable.

There is no evidence, or proofs, for the first three ideas, or definitions of a "God", which are not precise (I admit) and summarized a great deal. There are also many more variations and definitions of "God", I am sure. I am also sure that for all the others there is no evidence, or proof either. They are based on faith, and faith alone. One who looks at a tree and must postulate that such a thing is only there because an intelligence higher than them must have created it is, indeed, silly.

In this era we live, there should be no reason to conjure up thoughts of deities or supernatural explainations for the things we see and experience that we cannot immediately explain. We have answers for most of them, all it takes is asking questions and doing research.

I might be an "atheist asshole", but I don't put everyone's belief in a "God" into such narrow, stupid definitions. I gave four above that are the most common. And the last one is probably the most accepted by people of science, specifically cosmology and astronomy.

If you have a thought provoking definition of your idea of what "God" is to you, MINK, I would sincerely love to be privy to it. In all seriousness, I am addicted to knowledge of any form, and to learn other people's beliefs and how they arrived at them is some of the most interesting knowledge to be had.

Whereas, breakbeats have been the missing link connecting the diasporic
community to its drum woven past
Whereas the quantised drum has allowed the whirling mathematicians to
calculate the ever changing distance between rock and stardom.
Whereas the velocity of the spinning vinyl, cross-faded, spun backwards, and
re-released at the same given moment of recorded history , yet at a
different moment in time's continuum has allowed history to catch up with
the present.

We do hereby declare reality unkempt by the changing standards of dialogue.
Statements, such as, "keep it real", especially when punctuating or
anticipating modes of ultra-violence inflicted psychologically or physically
or depicting an unchanging rule of events will hence forth be seen as
retro-active and not representative of the individually determined is.

Furthermore, as determined by the collective consciousness of this state of
being and the lessened distance between thought patterns and their secular
manifestations, the role of men as listening receptacles is to be increased
by a number no less than 70 percent of the current enlisted as vocal
aggressors.

Motherfuckers better realize, now is the time to self-actualize
We have found evidence that hip hops standard 85 rpm when increased by a
number as least half the rate of it's standard or decreased at ¾ of it's
speed may be a determining factor in heightening consciousness.

Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the
unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Equate rhyme with reason, Sun with season

Our cyclical relationship to phenomenon has encouraged scholars to erase the
centers of periods, thus symbolizing the non-linear character of cause and
effect
Reject mediocrity!

Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which as been given
for you to understand.
The current standard is the equivalent of an adolescent restricted to the
diet of an infant.
The rapidly changing body would acquire dysfunctional and deformative
symptoms and could not properly mature on a diet of apple sauce and crushed
pears
Light years are interchangeable with years of living in darkness.
The role of darkness is not to be seen as, or equated with, Ignorance, but
with the unknown, and the mysteries of the unseen.

Thus, in the name of:
ROBESON, GOD'S SON, HURSTON, AHKENATON, HATHSHEPUT, BLACKFOOT, HELEN,
LENNON, KHALO, KALI, THE THREE MARIAS, TARA, LILITHE, LOURDE, WHITMAN,
BALDWIN, GINSBERG, KAUFMAN, LUMUMBA, GHANDI, GIBRAN, SHABAZZ,
SIDDHARTHA,
MEDUSA, GUEVARA, GUARDSIEFF, RAND, WRIGHT, BANNEKER, TUBMAN, HAMER,
HOLIDAY,
DAVIS, COLTRANE, MORRISON, JOPLIN, DUBOIS, CLARKE, SHAKESPEARE,
RACHMNINOV,
ELLINGTON, CARTER, GAYE, HATHOWAY, HENDRIX, KUTL, DICKERSON, RIPPERTON,
MARY, ISIS, THERESA, PLATH, RUMI, FELLINI, MICHAUX, NOSTRADAMUS, NEFERTITI,
LA ROCK, SHIVA, GANESHA, YEMAJA, OSHUN, OBATALA, OGUN, KENNEDY, KING,
FOUR
LITTLE GIRLS, HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI, KELLER, BIKO, PERONE, MARLEY, COSBY,
SHAKUR, THOSE STILL AFLAMED, AND THE COUNTLESS UNNAMED

We claim the present as the pre-sent, as the hereafter.
We are unraveling our navels so that we may ingest the sun.
We are not afraid of the darkness, we trust that the moon shall guide us.
We are determining the future at this very moment.
We now know that the heart is the philosophers' stone
Our music is our alchemy
We stand as the manifested equivalent of 3 buckets of water and a hand full
of minerals, thus realizing that those very buckets turned upside down
supply the percussion factor of forever.
If you must count to keep the beat then count.
Find you mantra and awaken your subconscious.
Curve you circles counterclockwise
Use your cipher to decipher, Coded Language, man made laws.
Climb waterfalls and trees, commune with nature, snakes and bees.
Let your children name themselves and claim themselves as the new day for
today we are determined to be the channelers of these changing frequencies
into songs, paintings, writings, dance, drama, photography, carpentry,
crafts, love, and love.
We enlist every instrument: Acoustic, electronic.
Every so-called race, gender, and sexual preference.
Every per-son as beings of sound to acknowledge their responsibility to
uplift the consciousness of the entire fucking World.
Any utterance will be un-aimed, will be disclaimed - two rappers slain
Any utterance will be un-aimed, will be disclaimed - two rappers slain

>>>Gunrock
"Man, that would be a huge mess."

I don't know what might be the volume of matter ejected in a Borgasm. Possibly enough for another "Milky way?"

The Borg would put an end to fake climax as well. The collective consciousness would demand total satisfaction every time. No doubt about that.