They're getting louder because they're LOSING. The volume goes up, the rhetoric gets worse, and the hyperbole becomes astounding.

It's the same thing with religion in the last few years. Nobody ever talked about it much in the 80s and 90s, but now with so many studies showing people are voting against the evangelicals and many are even becoming non-religious, they start shouting more about how the world is falling apart.

Trust me guys, it's annoying, but it's a good thing.

They should have started shouting 'FIRE! FIRE! FIRE! RUUUN!'

>> ^shuac:
I like the audible "gulp" (at 0:20) before Mr. Engel begins speaking. Could this be the event or maybe its precursor to scare people into voting GOP?


I imagine that we do things like this every so often and it just so happens that we got caught this time. I can't see how this could be an effective October Surprise -- Sure, elements in the GOP might start shouting "terrorism" but by all accounts *we* were the aggressor here. There's probably much more to this story that hasn't yet come out, so I can't draw any conclusions.

Januari, I agree with you that this is no big deal. I didn't sift it because I thought it would discredit Mrs. Palin in any way, and it doesn't. I just thought it was amusing, that's all. Could've just as well happened to Obama or Biden. I would've liked, however, to hear what she was actually talking about when the people started shouting. I think it would make one impression if she was actually talking about the troops and the sacrifices they make and so on and a totally different impression if she was talking about the economy and just pulled the veteran remark out of her ass.

And don't worry about the Mushroom guy, his mind seems to be stuck somewhere between the 70's and 80's, fighting communism and hating hippies, thus he's totally ignorant of any real problems and/or issues.

"all he asked was for them to share their message and instead, they started shouting fuck fox news...oh wait..."

Transcript for the hard of hearing/thinking:

Part 1: how to effectively pause while the audience is interrupting you
thats all right....lets....excuse me....hey.....hold on a second...........(audience chanting)....hold on....hold on everybody...excuse me young man...this is going to be question and answer session.....youll have your chance to answer your question, you dont have to disturb the whole meeting.

Part 2: how to stall while you are thinking of an answer to the question
alright alright, well uh i-i-i-they-uh-well-i-i-i-guess-i-i-i-hold-on-hold a second-everybody-i want everybody to be respectful, thats why were having a town hall meeting, this-this-this is democracy at work, and he-he asked a legitimate question so i want to give him an answer. um, i think you are misinformed about when you say not one time, every issue you spoke of i did speak about

Part 3: how to fabricate an answer to a question off the top of your head
ive been talking about predatory lending for the last two years in th us senate, and worked to pass legislation to prevent it when i was in the state legislature. and i have repeatedly said that many of the uh-uh predatory loans that were made in the mortgage system did target african american latino communities. ive said that repeatedly. number two, gina six. i was the first candidate to get out there and say that this was wrong and we should change it. thats number two, when sean bell got shot i put out a statement immediately saying this is a problem.

Part 4: how to ineffectively cope with your questioner confronting the absurdity of your response, in stutter
so so all all all i all im all all all im im saying im sorry wait wait wait dont start wait wait ho ho ho hold on. dont start dont start shouting back im just answering your question. on on on each of on each of these issues ive spoken out, not i may not have spoken out the way you would have wanted me to speak out, which is which is fine, because no no no i understand, no no look look but but, well well they we well they uh, re-re-re-remember i have other people so im just trying to answer your question.

Part 5: how to make excuses for your answer, in stutter
so so all all all i so uh all i uh ho ho ho ho hold on dont dont dont start shouting back im just answering your question on on on-on each of on each of these issues....i have spoken out, now i may not have spoken out the way you would have wanted me to speak out, which is which is fine, because i, no i understand, no, but but, uh , which is fine, well uh uh, well uh uh they well uh hold on a second, re-re-re-remember well ive got other people.

Part 6: how to deflect attention from your ridiculous response, while trying to establish false credibility through past actions, in stutter
heres what im suggesting is, is that on each of these issues that you mention ive spoken out and ive spoken out forcefully, and i-i-i-i-i uh listen i was a civil rights lawyer i-i-i-i-i i have i have passed the first racial profiling legislation in illinois i uh i passed i-i-i-i passed hold on a second i passed some of the-the-the-the toughest death penalty reform legislation in illinois so-so-so these are issues ive worked on on for decades

Part 7: how to assault your questioner, then raise your voice as you proudly recite a feel-good, meaningless, cliched statement to distract your audience from what just happened
now that doesnt mean that im always going to satisfy the way you want these issues framed. which which which uh gives you the option of voting for someone else, it gives you the option to run for office yourself, but, the, those, those are all options, but, but the one thing but the one thing that i think is important the one thing that i think is important, is that, is that we are respectful to towards each other, and what is true, the one thing i believe is that the only way we are going to solve our problems in this country, the only way we are going to solve our problems in this country is if all of us come together black, white, hispanic, asian, native american, young old, disabled, gay, straight that i think has got to be our agenda. alright. okay.

Whether this guy's telling the truth or not, bipolar disorder is serious shit and it's not cool. My older stepbrother has it, and before they found it out and got him on the right meds, he had angry outbreaks where he'd start shouting, screaming, and threatening people.

Taking over the world? Better I should focus on taking over my life first.

In reply to this comment by Laekroth:
Maybe dutch people usually are quiet, except when they're on holiday in a foreign country and start shouting to each other in the super market how cheap the products are. *horrorshow

I can't speak for sanderbos and Eklek ofcourse, but I'm certainly planning to take over the world. Which would explain my inactivity from the Sift time to time. If you ever plan on taking over the world, realize that it takes a big chunk of your spare time...

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
LOL! Those are goed, ja?

I never knew you were Dutch. That's at least three Dutch sifters whom I now know of: Eklek, sanderbos, and now you. You're all pretty quiet too. What are you all up to? Is there some Dutch fifth-column movement going on here?

I've got my eye on you Dutchies.

In reply to this comment by Laekroth:
LOL! Nice video krono. They did forget some essential sentences by the way, like:

"I'm wearing two left clumps" - "Ik draag twee linker klompen"
"The library is full of tar" - "De bibliotheek zit vol teer"
"Your hamsters do that funky dance" - "Uw hamsters doen die funky dans"
"Your axe is swift stewardess" - "Uw bijl is snel stewardess"
"The lemming is driving recklessly" - "Die lemming rijdt roekeloos"
"Your infant has swallowed my grenade" - "Uw kind heeft mijn granaat ingeslikt"

and ofcourse:
"There are tiremarks on your forehead" - "Er staan remsporen op uw voorhoofd"

See you in Holland!

Maybe dutch people usually are quiet, except when they're on holiday in a foreign country and start shouting to each other in the super market how cheap the products are. *horrorshow

I can't speak for sanderbos and Eklek ofcourse, but I'm certainly planning to take over the world. Which would explain my inactivity from the Sift time to time. If you ever plan on taking over the world, realize that it takes a big chunk of your spare time...

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
LOL! Those are goed, ja?

I never knew you were Dutch. That's at least three Dutch sifters whom I now know of: Eklek, sanderbos, and now you. You're all pretty quiet too. What are you all up to? Is there some Dutch fifth-column movement going on here?

I've got my eye on you Dutchies.

In reply to this comment by Laekroth:
LOL! Nice video krono. They did forget some essential sentences by the way, like:

"I'm wearing two left clumps" - "Ik draag twee linker klompen"
"The library is full of tar" - "De bibliotheek zit vol teer"
"Your hamsters do that funky dance" - "Uw hamsters doen die funky dans"
"Your axe is swift stewardess" - "Uw bijl is snel stewardess"
"The lemming is driving recklessly" - "Die lemming rijdt roekeloos"
"Your infant has swallowed my grenade" - "Uw kind heeft mijn granaat ingeslikt"

and ofcourse:
"There are tiremarks on your forehead" - "Er staan remsporen op uw voorhoofd"

See you in Holland!

Many of us have thick skins and don't care when they see inflammatory comments, I have a pretty thick skin after blogging about politics and religion for the last three years, but not everybody tolerates being called names on a daily basis. As the sift grows we will have to be more careful with personal attacks, because people do leave websites that aren't inviting. Major Social sites like youtube don't have to worry because their business is not about developing a community, Videosift is literally marketed as an alternative to youtube.

With that said, the Sift used to have a reporting button for inflammatory comments, I wonder if our Sift overlords can amuse us by telling us if that button was ever used, because it's since been removed. If a fellow sifter feels they have been personally insulted I think we should have a flagging option so users can easily bring attention to the comment, that way the perp can be warned of his actions and maybe banned if he is a repeat offender. If the sift is to lose members due to personal attacks, I would rather have the attackers leave over those who were victims.

And yes JoeDirt, this is the Internet, and the sift is in the business of bringing in traffic, I think we all agree Free Speech is a wonderful thing, but It's rare for anybody to take a stroll down the street and have random people hurling insults at them. You can't walk into a church or a school or a business and just start shouting random insults without getting kicked out, why should the sift be any different, if we punish those who insult (by censoring or banning) that doesn't make us a dictatorship, it makes us a good website.

/my two cents

Russels point is that we can make up anything we wish ,and still be both consistent and logical...

well, it might be his point, but firstly he isn't the creator of this example, and secondly.. I don't care how he uses it.

The point I was trying to make is that we, as humans, make concessions, accepting certain things as fixed which are not, and everyone does it.

People actually BELIEVE (as in right now) that the world isn't 5 minutes old. That's the point. This belief makes it possible for people
not to go insane and start shouting on the street. We all have beliefs and have to have beliefs about the world and the nature of things.

People are not in the constant state of evidence, but it can be said that people are in a constant state of belief.
There is no reason to believe that the earth won't magically disappear beneath your feat, but you do...

I'm not attacking science nor rational thought but people who
don't understand the place of belief in the human brain, mind, soul or whatever... are inviting a state of constant psychosis.

Any other airline in the world would have had food and drinks served on that plane. US airlines treat you like cattle. I spent 28 hours stuck in Chicago because of a delay, an Indian guy and a German family I met were stuck there for 2 days. I was the only person on the flight who lost my temper and started shouting at airline staff, which is why I got out of there a day earlier than anyone else.

Does Jesus say "Jeez" and "God?" Are those even oaths to him? I'm going to start shouting my own name as an oath. MEG, you people, this video isn't particularly humorous.

What's with that Lee Van Cleef look? Anyway she's a bloody twat. You can't start shouting over the responses of your interviewee and expect to retain any credibility. Not even with that smug "ok" right at the end.